- Describe the conditions on the cattle train.
- Who is Madame Schachter? Describe her role on the cattle train and explain what is ironic about her vision.
- Define foreshadowing. How does Wiesel use foreshadowing in Chapter Two?
Friday, February 7, 2014
Night, Chapter 2
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I think that maybe he could have found pout that Ellie lied to him. Cause when she told him the lie he thought everything was going to be okay. But if he found out it was a lie then he might have freaked out and thought something bad was going to happen. Or something really bad did happen.
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DeleteI think that it would have greatly upset him to find out about the death of his family. The hope was all he had to keep him going and now he had lost even hope. But this was from CH: 3.
DeleteMadison, it is not clear to me to which question you are responding. Who are the he and she that you mention? You must be more specific.
DeleteMadame Schachter is a 50 year old woman who has a family consisting of 3 boys and a husband. She has been split up from her 2 older sons and her husband but her youngest son, who is 10, is on the train with her. Madame Schachter keeps on screaming out about a fire every night. The ironic thing about her vision she keeps on having is that when they reach the camp there is actually a fire. Her vision was the worst of all to come.
ReplyDeleteIt was a very interesting use of foreshadowing. The author used her dreams as a way of referencing the awful faith that awaited the Jews. The fire was all to real and consumed many of the Jews.
DeleteI agree with both of you, it is a very interesting use of foreshadowing. No one would have really thought that Schachter was serious until they actually seen it with their own two eyes. No one wanted to believe her because they thought that she was just a crazy, insane, woman and did not know anything about what she was talking about. Whenever the people seen the fire then that was proof enough for them that she was not crazy and was not insane. Even though they should have believed her and at least been more nicer too her. No one would just say that out of the blue like that.
DeleteForeshadowing is a hint about something that is going to happen later on. Madame Schachter is screaming about a huge, terrifying fire. She will not stop screaming about it, even when people begin to hit her. Madame Schachter is starting to terrify everyone on that train. Wiesel uses Madame Schachter to foreshadow the fire that him and his father almost die in. Wiesel is using her to warn us about the burning of the babies and people.
ReplyDeleteI agree, Wiesel is using her to warn the other people about whats about to happen.
DeleteI agree with you, Madame Schachter was very persistent because she saw what was going to be happening. Wiesel was using Madame Schachter as a hint of what was going to happen at the concentration camps.
DeleteI agree with you, Madame Schachter was just trying to warn them about what she saw.
DeleteI bet now they feel stupid thinking she was crazy but really she was telling them the future.
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DeleteI agree that Wiesel uses Madame Schachter as a way to foreshadow what was going to happen to the jews
DeleteForeshadowing is when an event in a story is telling of events to come. Foreshadowing is used by hinting at future events. In Chapter Two, foreshadowing is used with Madame Schachter and her visions of great fires and flames. On the cattle bus, everybody thought she had gone mad but later, they discovered she was envisioning the flames of the crematorium.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you. I think the author used foreshadowing when he told about Madame Schachter and her visions about the fire and flames. She had been trying to tell about the people dying in the crematory.
DeleteI agree, Madame Schachter was trying to foreshadow about the burning children that was going to happen.
DeleteMadame Schachter, is a older lady who was split up from her husband and most of her kids, except for one of her sons who is 10 years old and is on the train with her. every night on the train she screams out something about fire/furnace and everyone just thinks she is crazy. what is ironic about it, is that when the train finally stops, there is a actual fire outside and a furnace near it.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you.The people didn't believe that there was an actual fire. They thought she had gone crazy. While there wasn't a fire at where she was pointing at, there was a fire where the people were headed.
DeleteThe furnace has the fire coming out of it which is what she sees
DeleteIt is a sad sort of irony that is portrayed using the woman and her vision. She may have seen the upcoming fire that will threaten the lives of everyone who is there, but when not one person can find the courage to believe the horrible things others speak of, it creates a sad thought that there was no remorse for the beating they gave the woman, even after they saw her visions with there own eyes.
Deletevery good answer
DeleteThe cattle train was very tight, no toiletry, little fresh air that comes from a small window, and little food. Madame schachter has 3 kids and married and on the train her 10 year old son is with her. It is ironic that she sees a burning flame so she yells it none stop and when they they get to the camp there is a crematory. Foreshadowing is something you will find out later but they give you hints about whats coming up.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you completely. Foreshadowing what was coming was a little ironic too.
DeleteThat is very ironic. I agree totally
DeleteI agree that this is ironic.
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ReplyDeleteForeshadowing is when the author references an event that has yet to come. It is when he uses something to hint at the future. Foreshadowing is exemplified through Madame Schachter in chapter two. She dreams of a great fire and it devours her spirit. She is used as a reference to the literal fires that await the Jewish people in the Nazi camps. The flames she spoke of were not real yet they consumed her much like the actual flames that eventually consumed millions of Jews. The people ignored her and believed her to be insane when in reality she was very accurate in her beliefs and fears.
ReplyDeleteI can understand why the Jews thought Madame Schachter was crazy, but I still feel bad for her and her son. The poor woman was beaten on the train and her son had to witness that.
DeleteI agree, what happened to Madame Schachter was terrible. She was getting on everybody's nerves and making them miserable but really, she was right all along.
DeleteI agree. Her son had to witness his mother's nightmare and how his mother was beaten. On top of all that, he hadn't even arrived at the concentration camp. I feel so bad for that little boy. He didn't even have his mother to comfort him because she was probably still screaming about the fire.
DeleteI agree about Madame Schacter. She didn't deserve what happened to her, it was a horrible thing. She just wanted people to believe her and not ignore her.
DeleteI agree and i bet that the jews wished they would have listen to what she was saying.
DeleteThe cattle train was very hot and crowded. The people grew very thirsty during their trip to Auschwitz, and the Jews became claustrophobic with the amount of people and limited amount of air. On the cattle train, there was a woman named Madame Schachter who was about fifty-years-old, is married, and has three boys, but only one made it on the cattle train with her. While Madame Schachter was on the train, she went crazy and began screaming out “Fire! I can see a fire!” Her screams scared the Jews and made them paranoid. At one point the paranoia became such an issue men on the cattle train began to beat her to try and knock her out. At the time the Jews didn’t realize that Madame Schachter’s screams would become real for them and that there would actually be a fire and a furnace waiting for them in Auschwitz. In chapter two, Madame Schachter’s screams were an example of foreshadowing. Foreshadowing is when an author includes a hint in a story that foretells an experience the characters will later face.
ReplyDeletePoor Madame Schacter, she had to go through so much and turned out to be right. Great job explaining the foreshadowing event that took place.
Deletei agree. the way Madame Schachter was yelling about the fire did make the other people on the train with her paranoid, and annoyed at one point.
DeleteI agree, the conditions on the train were bad. It was especially bad that they didn't have much water, because it was very hot on the train. It is also interesting that Madame Schachter screamed about the fire. While it is foreshadowing, we still have to wonder how she knew about the crematory or if it was just a coincidence.
Deletethe conditions of the train was terrible, i think that was also a form of foreshadowing. if they were treated bad during transportation, they would be treated worst once they got to camp.
DeleteThis is a very good answer Sam. It sums up every single event of the chapter The conditions on the train were far more horrible than anyone could ever imagine. It was a very interesting form of foreshadowing and sadly no one believed her when she was screaming "Fire!". In my opinion, if someone was screaming "Fire!" like how she was then I wouldn't think they were crazy I would try and see what is making them say that and what they are seeing. When they were treated that bad during been transported to Auschwitz, then things would be ten times as bad when they actually got to the Concentration Camps. It was so sad that they could not even hardly get any food or water and the amount they did have was small and had to make it lost for lord knows how long. What makes me curious is how Madame Schachter knew there was a fire unless she had actually seen it while they were being transported to the camps.
DeleteMadame Schachter was a woman about fifty years old. She and her son were on the cattle wagon alone because her husband and two eldest sons had already been deported by mistake. Her role on the cattle wagon was very important. Her visions were foreshadowing the future. She kept telling the people on the wagon that she saw fire but no one on the wagon would believe her. The only thing people said was that they wanted her to be quiet. If they had listened to her, they might have figured out what was going to happen when they reached the concentration camp.
ReplyDeleteI agree that they might have figured out what they were about to be faced with. But, if they would have listened to her, I think all of their optimism and hope would have been drained.
DeleteI wonder if anyone apologized to Madame Schachter after they found out that she was right. After all, she did get beaten on the train the woman deserves some kind of apology.
DeleteI agree her role was very important, her visions were foreshadowing what was going to happen next in the book, and that if they listened they could have knew what was going to happen next.
DeleteI wonder how many people felt bad for everything Madame Schachter went through for being right or if they felt ignorant for not believing her in the first place.
DeleteI bet once the people arrived at the camp and saw the children being burned they where pretty angry at themselves for not listening to her.
DeleteMadame Schachter is a woman on the train car with Elie. She was on the train car with her son, she was a quiet woman who had tense, burning eyes and had often come to Elie's home. Her role on the cattle car was to foreshadow what they were coming upon. She kept saying things about fire, but none of the other car members thought she could be talking about what would ultimately be their demise. It was ironic she kept talking about fire, and while no one else knew of the trouble she was seeing, they found out once they arrived in Auschwitz, that the fire would be there grave.
ReplyDeletei agree with the way you used foreshadowing. she could have been trying to tell them about the fire, but all they wanted to do was shut her up.
DeleteI agree with the way he used foreshadow. he was using her to try to tell them about what was going to happen next, but they did not want to listen and tried to shut her up when ever she started to scream.
DeleteI agree, she was trying to foreshadow about the fire but nobody would listen they just thought she was losing her mind.
DeleteI agree, no one believed her. They thought she was crazy
DeleteForeshadowing is a indication of a future event. In Chapter Two, Madame Schachter is going crazy about a huge fire she see. Everybody is telling her to calm down and trying to make her stop screaming but she ignores them. Madame Schacter gets beaten many of times, but she still wont stop screaming about the fire. Wiesel uses foreshadowing to indicate the burning of the people and babies later on in the story.
ReplyDeleteI agree the fire, did make me think something was going to happen with it besides someone having a huge bonfire.
DeleteMadame Schachter was foreshadowing about the crematory, but the people on the train did not know that. They only wanted her to be quiet, because she was annoying them. They were uncomfortable enough without her screaming. Even if they had known about the crematory, they still couldn't have escaped. The Germans told them that they would be shot if they tried to escape.
DeleteMadame Schachter had 3 sons and a husband. She was the older woman in the cattle car that saw the fire/furnace. The people around her thought she had lost her mind due to the fact she had been separated from her family except her one 10 year old son. The Irony in the matter is there is a legit fire and furnace awaiting their arrival outside.
ReplyDeleteThe conditions on the cattle train were terrible. They had little air, the train only had a few windows for fresh air to come in. There was no water or food, the train was very hot, and it was crowded. Madame Schachter was a 50 year old Jewish Woman, on the train with her son. She was crazy. She would start to moan about seeing a fire off in the distance. What was ironic about that was that once they got to the concentration camp, there was a fire. More like an inferno, for burning bodies. Foreshadowing is when the author gives you hints throughout the story about a big event that is going to happen. Wiesel uses foreshadowing in chapter 2 by describing how much closer hi and Elie were getting to the flaming inferno. Step, by step.
ReplyDeleteYou made a good point that is was not just a simple fire, it was much worse. An inferno that would cause many of the Jews to lose faith and to stop trying to stay alive.
DeleteForeshadowing is the likely possible event to come. It is a hint that tells what is going to happen next in the story. Foreshadowing is used in Ch.2 when Madame Schachter keeps saying Fire. Everybody thought she went crazy because she is left alone with her 10 yr old son and not with her family. But when people didn't payed attention to her they are going to pay the consequences.
ReplyDeleteThe conditions on the cattle train were very crowded. Elie tells us that in order to sit down they had to take turns, and that lying down was impossible. The people on the cattle train never had enough food and water. They tried to save their food in case they needed it in the future. It was also very hot in the train. He also tells us that only a few people could see out of the windows.
ReplyDeleteForeshadowing is when the author talks about an event that hasn't happened yet. Madame Schachter is going crazy screaming about a terrible fire that she sees in a vision and everyone tells her to calm down and to be quiet but she ignores them and keeps on until people start to beat her to make her stop. Later on people start to see that she was right and it foreshadows that the fire was burning small children. Everyone thought she had lost her mind but in reality she saw a true future event.
ReplyDeletei agree with this answer.
Deletei also agree
DeleteThey should've believed her.
DeleteI agree. i bet those people that hit her are ashamed.
Deletei agree, they shouldn't have thought she was crazy
DeleteI agree with Brooke and Morgan about her being crazy.
DeleteThere was very bad living conditions. especially if you lived far from the camp because you would starve to death before you ever made it back. The rains were very unsanitary also. You could catch any disease and get really sick and die from it.
ReplyDeleteThe cattle train had barley enough room for 80 people to be able to stand let alone for them to be able to all sit or lie down to sleep. They all had to take turns standing and sitting so they could sleep. The cattle train had bars on the windows so that the Jews would not able to escape. One of the Hungarian police told them that if any of them had escaped the whole cattle car would be killed when the arrived at there destination.
ReplyDeleteCondition on the train weren’t good. They had to take turns sitting; there was no room. They were extremely crowded. It was also very hot. Madame Shachter was a lady who had been separated from her family. She was going crazy from the separation and was screaming that she saw a fire. Foreshadowing was used in chapter 2 by Madame Shachter saying there was a fire because no one saw anything yet the fire was there future.
ReplyDeletethe cattle train was just terrible, its not a train i would have taken somewhere by choice. It was small and you had to take turns sleeping. the Jews couldn't escape because of the bars over the windows. and it got worst the further away you lived. madame sachter was just a lady going insane on the train. she saw a fire, a great big fire and this was ironic because at the camp they were going to this is what mostly killed the Jews. and forshadowing is giving and example or warning to hint to something coming.
ReplyDeleteThe character Madame Schachter would scream in the middle of the night about a terrible fire. It’s ironic because when they arrive at the camp, there is a fire. A fire with children burning. As she described the fire, it was foreshadowing of what the children were experiencing.
ReplyDeleteMadame Schachter was a woman on the train they were riding to the concentration camp. She had a little boy with her. All of a sudden on the train she started screaming and yelling about a fire, and flames. No one on the train new what she was talking about. Come to find out she could see the fires at the next camp they were approaching and everyone was shocked.
ReplyDeleteThe cattle train was very tight with everyone inside of it, there was no kind of toiletry, there was a limited amount of food available for all of those people. There was no room for anyone to lie down and if they could they would have to take turns. They were very limited with the amount of resources they had such as food and water, most of the people on there starved because the food and water they did save, they wanted to use for the future. There were very few windows on the train as well. Madame Schachter was a woman on the train that was being transported to the concentration camp. When she was on the train she started to yell and scream "Fire" and flames. Everyone on the train was thinking the woman was insane and was telling her to just calm down. Then after she settles down when they get to the concentration camp there is a huge fire where the soldiers have been burning babies at.
ReplyDeletei really like how you went into detail. good work.
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ReplyDeleteOn the cattle train there is overcrowding and much sickness and hunger and fear of whats to come. Madame Schachter is the woman who is on the train and screams fire repeatedly. Her vision is true and she and others were executed with fire which was ironic. Foreshadowing is when something is said to give a hint of something that will happen in the future. He uses the woman screaming fire as a means of foreshadowing what was going to happen to them in the future.
ReplyDeleteI agree with this Caleb, I can't believe that Elie was there to witness all this.
Deletei don't believe Elie witnessed this but rather uses it to foreshadow an upcoming event.
DeleteOn the cattle train was hot and extremely crowded, the people got thirsty during their long trip and the Jews started to get very uncomfortable because you could barely breathe. On the cattle train, there was a woman named Madame Schachter, she went mad and started screaming about a fire that she was seeing. Her screams made the jews paranoid and frightened. Men on the train began to beat her to try and knock her out. At the time the Jews didn’t realize that Madame Schachter’s vision was something real that was about to happen and that there would actually be a fire in Auschwitz... for them. The foreshadowing in chapter two was Madame’s vision of the fire because later on it was actually going to happen.
ReplyDeletei agree the cattle train was an awful place to be packed to the brim and hot.
DeleteForeshadowing is a warning or indication of a future event. Madame Schachter is screaming about a fire. She begins to get the other passengers worried and terrified. Wiesel uses Madame Schachter's as a foreshadowing reference, because the situation him and his father are in. He uses it to describe the burning grown ups and babies.
ReplyDeleteI agree, Wiesel didn't say anything about it. He wanted to see for himself to see that she was telling the truth
ReplyDeleteForeshadowing means to for see an event. weasel uses foreshadowing by the woman in the cattle train dreaming of a large fire. this foreshadows a furnace where they are thrown in not everyone just the woman and children this shows just how cruel the nazi can be. this foreshadows pain and suffering down the road. it also foreshadows hope the one light in the dark.
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